Lithium carbonate + testosterone?

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Lithium carbonate + testosterone?

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hello, I saw a psychiatrist this afternoon.

I told her about my symptoms and she doesn't believe PSSD is real at all.

She says antidepressants cause no long-term effects.

I told her that despite what she said, here in Belgium it is indicated in the instructions that SSRIs could cause long-term sexual problems after stopping and that this could be permanent.

She told me she had never seen any patients and I told her she was lying that she knew very well that neuroleptics and antidepressants caused long-term problems.

She told me that my lithium treatment was not suitable for me and that she recommended effexor (venlafaxine) in combination with Abilify (Aripiprazol).

She told me I had depression even though I never mentioned feeling depressed or melancholy.

I also told her that I had half of my penis sleeping lengthwise after stopping Zoloft (Sertraline) and that the entire sexual area had been massacred with Cipralexa (escitalopram) as well as cognitive symptoms and my intestines.

I'm not going to take what she recommends anyway, I still prefer to take rat poison.

I absolutely do not believe that Effexor nor Abilify will improve the symptoms. Luckily, she didn't charge me for her consultations.

We really disagreed, the atmosphere was very tense.

I see a lot of people recovering with hormonal treatment for a few months? (Testosterone, HCG)

Has anyone tested with lithium?

If I do I will have to find the treatments on my own because no doctor will prescribe them to me.

The last blood test was a few months ago and showed nothing abnormal for testosterone.

On the other hand, in the past my blood tests showed that I had too much progesterone or close to the maximum limit.

If I'm considering hormonal treatment, I should present my doctor with a fait accompli and tell him hey, I have to test my hormones, I guess.
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You need to realize that pssd is rare and it is likely your doctor did not have experience with patients coming forward with long lasting issues. Saying she is lying will not help you, as it is always better to have a doctor that is willing to experiment and do tests with you. From her point of view, there are many patients with severe depression that have some overlapping issues with pssd, so it is often a first responds….

There are cases where people had improvements from hormonal therapy, but it is no golden bullet so-far. We can only try things and share our experiences here
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If you want to convince a doctor of your problem, you have to use scientific language. If you want to make her aware of the dysfunctions caused by drugs, print out articles you've read on Pubmed, or read in the press interviewing researchers on the subject.

Meso shared his full article published in a renowned medical journal: https://discord.com/channels/6285579783 ... 4343710724

It's a good start. It's just 5 pages long. You'll be more credible with arguments based on scientific literature.

For Effexor, I've tested several dosages and the sub-therapeutic dose can perhaps be sexually interesting (from memory it was 37.5 mg). It doesn't help to go for the therapeutic dose for depressives/anxious people, on the contrary.

Abilify is also one of the substances on my list. At low doses (<5 mg) it can help sexual function, but according to the scientific literature I've read on the subject, women would benefit more.

Lithium + Testo may be a good combo.

Meso recommended panax ginseng with lithium, among other things because the herb can increase testo. You could also try combining with high-quality Shilajit and/or St John's Wort and/or Ginkgo Biloba and/or Tongkat ali.
:arrow: You're looking for a cure or want to help the community? I've created an interactive table listing possible treatments for PSSD.

Feel free to contribute anonymously and share your experiences with different substances (+150 options)!
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Determined-Mind wrote: Tue May 07, 2024 5:00 pm If you want to convince a doctor of your problem, you have to use scientific language. If you want to make her aware of the dysfunctions caused by drugs, print out articles you've read on Pubmed, or read in the press interviewing researchers on the subject.

Meso shared his full article published in a renowned medical journal: https://discord.com/channels/6285579783 ... 4343710724

It's a good start. It's just 5 pages long. You'll be more credible with arguments based on scientific literature.

For Effexor, I've tested several dosages and the sub-therapeutic dose can perhaps be sexually interesting (from memory it was 37.5 mg). It doesn't help to go for the therapeutic dose for depressives/anxious people, on the contrary.

Abilify is also one of the substances on my list. At low doses (<5 mg) it can help sexual function, but according to the scientific literature I've read on the subject, women would benefit more.

Lithium + Testo may be a good combo.

Meso recommended panax ginseng with lithium, among other things because the herb can increase testo. You could also try combining with high-quality Shilajit and/or St John's Wort and/or Ginkgo Biloba and/or Tongkat ali.
I understand your point of view but I think that in any case she had already put me in the depressive box and in any case, I will not go back to see her, the connection has not passed between us.

According to her, she was not aware that PSSD exists and that there was no proof and that is when I told her that it was clearly indicated in the instructions for SSRIs, medications that 'she must certainly have been prescribing all day long for years.

In addition I explain to her an experience that I had with an antibiotic and that this medication had cholinergic effects and she seemed to say that I was lying that the cholinergic system has nothing to do with the cognitive system or memory .

I told hem that tests had been done on Parkinson's patients and that the study was available online.

That she says that the cholinergic system does not play on cognitive functions and memory .

Does not seem strange to you for a psychiatrist?

No really, I can't trust someone like that with my health.
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Determined-Mind wrote: Tue May 07, 2024 5:00 pm If you want to convince a doctor of your problem, you have to use scientific language. If you want to make her aware of the dysfunctions caused by drugs, print out articles you've read on Pubmed, or read in the press interviewing researchers on the subject.

Meso shared his full article published in a renowned medical journal: https://discord.com/channels/6285579783 ... 4343710724

It's a good start. It's just 5 pages long. You'll be more credible with arguments based on scientific literature.

For Effexor, I've tested several dosages and the sub-therapeutic dose can perhaps be sexually interesting (from memory it was 37.5 mg). It doesn't help to go for the therapeutic dose for depressives/anxious people, on the contrary.

Abilify is also one of the substances on my list. At low doses (<5 mg) it can help sexual function, but according to the scientific literature I've read on the subject, women would benefit more.

Lithium + Testo may be a good combo.

Meso recommended panax ginseng with lithium, among other things because the herb can increase testo. You could also try combining with high-quality Shilajit and/or St John's Wort and/or Ginkgo Biloba and/or Tongkat ali.
I understand your point of view but I think that in any case she had already put me in the depressive box and in any case, I will not go back to see her, the connection has not passed between us.

According to her, she was not aware that PSSD exists and that there was no proof and that is when I told her that it was clearly indicated in the instructions for SSRIs, medications that 'she must certainly have been prescribing all day long for years.

In addition I explain to her an experience that I had with an antibiotic and that this medication had cholinergic effects and she seemed to say that I was lying that the cholinergic system has nothing to do with the cognitive system or memory .

I told hem that tests had been done on Parkinson's patients and that the study was available online.

That she says that the cholinergic system does not play on cognitive functions and memory .

Does not seem strange to you for a psychiatrist?

No really, I can't trust someone like that with my health.
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How can she know that there is no proof when she is not aware of the existence of PSSD? This is very inconsistent and has been inconsistent several times during this consultation.

She clearly didn't listen or only took in what she wanted to hear, because despite the fact that I told her that I had half the length of my penis asleep after the Sertraline, I am depressed.

It's a new sign of depression.
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Physicians' lack of knowledge of neuroscience is distressing. It's hard to find doctors who are good listeners, humble enough to deal with the complexity of the nervous system, and open to learning from their patients...

Sometimes, doctors are so sure of themselves in their lack of knowledge, that they don't deserve our time. Not to persist with them is a wise decision, indeed. There are good doctors out there. They're rare, but you have to keep at it to find them and get what's good and relevant for you.

Courage, it's not easy having rare and atypical diseases...
:arrow: You're looking for a cure or want to help the community? I've created an interactive table listing possible treatments for PSSD.

Feel free to contribute anonymously and share your experiences with different substances (+150 options)!
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Determined-Mind wrote: Tue May 07, 2024 5:00 pm If you want to convince a doctor of your problem, you have to use scientific language. If you want to make her aware of the dysfunctions caused by drugs, print out articles you've read on Pubmed, or read in the press interviewing researchers on the subject.

Meso shared his full article published in a renowned medical journal: https://discord.com/channels/6285579783 ... 4343710724

It's a good start. It's just 5 pages long. You'll be more credible with arguments based on scientific literature.

For Effexor, I've tested several dosages and the sub-therapeutic dose can perhaps be sexually interesting (from memory it was 37.5 mg). It doesn't help to go for the therapeutic dose for depressives/anxious people, on the contrary.

Abilify is also one of the substances on my list. At low doses (<5 mg) it can help sexual function, but according to the scientific literature I've read on the subject, women would benefit more.

Lithium + Testo may be a good combo.

Meso recommended panax ginseng with lithium, among other things because the herb can increase testo. You could also try combining with high-quality Shilajit and/or St John's Wort and/or Ginkgo Biloba and/or Tongkat ali.
ginseng and gingko are not recommended with lithium.

Plants that inhibit certain liver enzymes can modify blood lithium levels.

Herbs that have MAOI properties may increase the risk of serotonin syndrome with lithium.

Anyway, I gave up on lithium because I had side effects from just 400mg. big loss of motivation. depression, thoughts of death.

I don't think I can tolerate the side effects until I reach the therapeutic dose
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The therapeutic dose you were aiming for was therapeutic for manic people, not for people with PSSD. The therapeutic dose for bipolars induces anhedonia (to counterbalance mania, which can overactivate reward systems).

This may explain why above 400 mg you felt less motivated.

I read that Meso said to stay below 400 mg for PSSD symptoms.

At low doses of lithium, the risk of serotonin syndrome induced by association with herbs taken at low doses is certainly non-existent.

People who develop serotonin syndromes mix high doses of drugs that increase serotonin levels.

Besides, there's nothing in pubmed with the key words “serotoninergic syndrome lithium” : https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=s ... &sort=date
:arrow: You're looking for a cure or want to help the community? I've created an interactive table listing possible treatments for PSSD.

Feel free to contribute anonymously and share your experiences with different substances (+150 options)!
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Determined-Mind wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 9:42 pm The therapeutic dose you were aiming for was therapeutic for manic people, not for people with PSSD. The therapeutic dose for bipolars induces anhedonia (to counterbalance mania, which can overactivate reward systems).

This may explain why above 400 mg you felt less motivated.

I read that Meso said to stay below 400 mg for PSSD symptoms.

At low doses of lithium, the risk of serotonin syndrome induced by association with herbs taken at low doses is certainly non-existent.

People who develop serotonin syndromes mix high doses of drugs that increase serotonin levels.

Besides, there's nothing in pubmed with the key words “serotoninergic syndrome lithium” : https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=s ... &sort=date
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8486475/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32851114/
https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/drugsatf ... 065lbl.pdf
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK4 ... me%5B32%5D
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7701669/
https://neuro.psychiatryonline.org/doi/ ... h.11080196
https://go.gale.com/ps/i.do?d=GALE%7CA1 ... -web-entry
https://neuro.psychiatryonline.org/doi/ ... h.11080196
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/me ... n-syndrome
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/d ... m-toxicity

"This may explain why above 400mg you feel less motivated" I haven't taken more than 400mg and haven't seen any positive testimonials with lithium orotate. the positive testimonials were above 400mg, at least the ones I read, maybe I didn't come across the ones you read.

you are referring to lithium orotate combined with herbs but I was talking about my treatment lithium carbonate and it is not recommended to combine it with gingseng, gingko, CBD, NSAIDs, caffeine and even tobacco
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