Proviron, Masteron DHT etc

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Troskie wrote: Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:39 pm Well, My TRT is coming tomorrow and i'm starting to feel nervous taking it. I'm nervous because I've noticed how much i'm balding (30 y.o. male) and am sort of freaked out at speeding up that process / making it worse.

I've had pssd for ~10 years since taking celexa at 19. I haven't taken any other ssri in that time, and am just beyond convinced I won't get back to some semblance of my old self without medication. I'm considering trying prozac + buspar now, prior to giving TRT (test, hcg, possibly proviron) a shot.

I feel indecisive on this decision to the point of paralysis. Its a funny tradeoff. I think TRT will make me feel better mentally and probably help my libido some, but the SSRI could help mentally too while letting me keep my hair (plus with buspar possibly more libido). Part of me is like - i've gone 10 years off ssris, if some % of healing happens naturally over time I could reverse that by starting a ssri back up. But then again, I feel like it has not gotten appreciably better, if anything its worse now than at the +1/2 year post ssri mark.
My advice - avoid the Prozac + Buspar & either just take the Buspar alone (it helped me with Depression + Anxiety/OCD) or just wait to 'get the TRT shot.
Testosterone won't speed up the balding process. Just take a quality multi-vitamin like this one.
Growth Hormone shots may help avert the balding process. Maybe add 'some HGH?
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Also, Masteron injections sometimes are superior to Proviron - so if Proviron fails you could always try Masteron.
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Bump!
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Bump!
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The bumps are getting annoying and unwanted…lets stop them
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Jaxx wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:15 am The bumps are getting annoying and unwanted…lets stop them
Sure, buddy.
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BMJ
1995 May 20;310(6990):1289-91. doi: 10.1136/bmj.310.6990.1289.
Contribution of dihydrotestosterone to male sexual behaviour.
C S Mantzoros 1, E I Georgiadis, D Trichopoulos
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PMID: 7773040 PMCID: PMC2549675 DOI: 10.1136/bmj.310.6990.1289
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Abstract
Objective: To document the relative importance of endogenous sex steroids in modulating the frequency of orgasms, the dominant aspect of sexual behaviour in healthy eugonadal men.

Design: Measurement of adrenal and testicular sex steroids in a sample of army recruits and study of their relation to frequency of orgasms ascertained by questionnaire after potential confounding variables were controlled for.

Setting: Military campus and military hospital laboratories in Athens, Greece.

Subjects: 92 consecutively enrolled healthy male recruits aged 18-22 years.

Main outcome measures: Weekly number of orgasms. Serum concentrations of testosterone, dehydroepiandrosterone sulphate, dihydrotestosterone, oestradiol, oestrone, delta-4-androstenedione, and sex hormone binding globulin.

Results: Serum dihydrotestosterone concentration was the only independent hormonal predictor of the frequency of orgasms; an increase in concentration of 1.36 nmol/l (about 2 SD) corresponded to an average increase of one orgasm a week.

Conclusions: Differences in concentrations of circulating dihydrotestosterone (buy here) within the normal range may represent a major predictor of sexual activity in healthy young men.
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Area1255_2021 wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:22 pm BMJ
1995 May 20;310(6990):1289-91. doi: 10.1136/bmj.310.6990.1289.
Contribution of dihydrotestosterone to male sexual behaviour.
C S Mantzoros 1, E I Georgiadis, D Trichopoulos
Affiliations expand
PMID: 7773040 PMCID: PMC2549675 DOI: 10.1136/bmj.310.6990.1289
Free PMC article
Abstract
Objective: To document the relative importance of endogenous sex steroids in modulating the frequency of orgasms, the dominant aspect of sexual behaviour in healthy eugonadal men.

Design: Measurement of adrenal and testicular sex steroids in a sample of army recruits and study of their relation to frequency of orgasms ascertained by questionnaire after potential confounding variables were controlled for.

Setting: Military campus and military hospital laboratories in Athens, Greece.

Subjects: 92 consecutively enrolled healthy male recruits aged 18-22 years.

Main outcome measures: Weekly number of orgasms. Serum concentrations of testosterone, dehydroepiandrosterone sulphate, dihydrotestosterone, oestradiol, oestrone, delta-4-androstenedione, and sex hormone binding globulin.

Results: Serum dihydrotestosterone concentration was the only independent hormonal predictor of the frequency of orgasms; an increase in concentration of 1.36 nmol/l (about 2 SD) corresponded to an average increase of one orgasm a week.

Conclusions: Differences in concentrations of circulating dihydrotestosterone (buy here) within the normal range may represent a major predictor of sexual activity in healthy young men.
As far as I know, most men don’t have trouble with orgasms. They can usually achieve orgasms every time through masturbation or sex. Did the men in this study who had more orgasms in a week just masturbate more than the others?
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Brain food wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:31 pm As far as I know, most men don’t have trouble with orgasms. They can usually achieve orgasms every time through masturbation or sex. Did the men in this study who had more orgasms in a week just masturbate more than the others?
NOT True: https://grandroundsinurology.com/wp-con ... tuszak.pdf
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Randomized Controlled Trial Clin J Sport Med
. 2009 Sep;19(5):399-404. doi: 10.1097/JSM.0b013e3181b8b52f.
Three weeks of creatine monohydrate supplementation affects dihydrotestosterone to testosterone ratio in college-aged rugby players.
Johann van der Merwe 1, Naomi E Brooks, Kathryn H Myburgh
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PMID: 19741313 DOI: 10.1097/JSM.0b013e3181b8b52f
Abstract
Objective: This study investigated resting concentrations of selected androgens after 3 weeks of creatine supplementation in male rugby players. It was hypothesized that the ratio of dihydrotestosterone (DHT, a biologically more active androgen) to testosterone (T) would change with creatine supplementation.

Design: Double-blind placebo-controlled crossover study with a 6-week washout period.

Setting: Rugby Institute in South Africa.

Participants: College-aged rugby players (n = 20) volunteered for the study, which took place during the competitive season.

Interventions: Subjects loaded with creatine (25 g/day creatine with 25 g/day glucose) or placebo (50 g/day glucose) for 7 days followed by 14 days of maintenance (5 g/day creatine with 25 g/day glucose or 30 g/day glucose placebo).

Main outcome measures: Serum T and DHT were measured and ratio calculated at baseline and after 7 days and 21 days of creatine supplementation (or placebo). Body composition measurements were taken at each time point.

Results: After 7 days of creatine loading, or a further 14 days of creatine maintenance dose, serum T levels did not change. However, levels of DHT increased by 56% after 7 days of creatine loading and remained 40% above baseline after 14 days maintenance (P < 0.001). The ratio of DHT:T also increased by 36% after 7 days creatine supplementation and remained elevated by 22% after the maintenance dose (P < 0.01).

Conclusions: Creatine supplementation may, in part, act through an increased rate of conversion of T to DHT. Further investigation is warranted as a result of the high frequency of individuals using creatine supplementation and the long-term safety of alterations in circulating androgen composition. STATEMENT OF CLINICAL RELEVANCE: Although creatine is a widely used ergogenic aid, the mechanisms of action are incompletely understood, particularly in relation to dihydrotestosterone, and therefore the long-term clinical safety cannot be guaranteed.
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