Has spinal reflex been considered?

[Wantmyclitorisback]

Saw someone on reddit talk about a spnal reflexes that control mechanistic arousal.

I'm drawn to this idea because I have experienced resolution of the side effect after first time I discontinued drug and it is not gradual - it is like a switch being flicked on/off. When SE first appeared it was overnight. When it disappeared it was overnight. There were no improvements during tapering. It was like something got above a certain threshold and killed the switch when I went on the drugs, then fell below a certain threshold and flicked the switch back on when I came off them. I did not (and do not) personally experience deficits in subjective arousal (feelings of sexual excitement in the mind) or libido. It is literally just like the autonomic process that controls physical arousal has been switched off.

I have no science background so I'm probably just wrong but the idea of a reflex that can be blocked and then freed again makes intuitive sense to me based on this experience.

Does anyone know if this has been looked into?

[Librata]

Do you have a link to reddit? It's a very interesting observation you've made and I have an idea ..... for a very long time.

Did I get it right, PSSD started with a switch and ended the same way after stopping the drugs?

[Wantmyclitorisback]

Well I guess it wasn't PSSD first time around, it was just a side effect, because it started abruptly when I started the pills and stopped abruptly when I stopped them. But yes, that time it was like a switch. The second time I discontinued it didn't come back so this time it's PSSD.

I'll look for the link but I'm not sure it's that useful in and of itself. It was more that someone mentioned the idea of it and then I looked it up and saw that serotonin has a role in spinal reflexes but I don't have enough knowledge to understand it further than that.

This is the link https://www.reddit.com/r/PSSD/s/FuNdezspt1

[Librata]

At the end of this answer I will write about the switches.

First I would like to say that I have been working with PGAD for 16 years. I'm sure PSSD is "only" the other mside of the medal. I am not a scientist, I come from the psychological field. I didn't take psychotropic drugs, but developed PGAD as the result of trauma. So I initially approached everything from the psychological side.

In addition to the Internet, I read the leading trauma literature (Peter Levine, Robert Scaer), of which Scaer is a neurologist, I studied hypnosis and states of consciousness (autohypnosis plays a major role for everyone) and, what I personally consider to be very important, ...... I studied a little bit Yoga. I'm not talking about any contortions here, but about the philosophy and physical knowledge of this culture. I am not a follower but I am sure, we could learn a lot about energy and the body. In my oppinion it would be very important if Western medicine would be able to engage in these perspectives.

PSSD/PGAD is by no means only a physical problem. There are no purely physical symptoms. All symptomes are caused by energetic/electrical impulses in the body. Energy is the higher level and the first level, followed by matter (body). Matter is nothing more than very low frequent energy. This is physics and less medicine. The neurotransmitters, which are always considered, certainly play a role, but only in 2nd place.

I will now try to explain shortly a complex and complicated system that is very quickly pushed into the esoteric corner and is also not officially scientific. Nevertheless, it exists, is real and, as I said, it is more physics and then follows medicine.

In the East and in mysticism in general, the so-called "Kundalini" energy is known. It is an energetic process in the spinal cord that starts very suddenly (like a switch!!!) and is supposed to transform the nervous system so that the state of enlightenment can be achieved at some point. And physics again.....enlightenment means nothing more than people become able to "see" (via the pineal gland) that EVERYTHING is light, even low-frequency matter.

There is now a lot of literature and experience reports about Kundalini activations, from Dr. Lee Sanella in the 1970s over Bonnie Greenwell to Gopi Krishna and much more writers. All of these activations are often described as very difficult and stressful for the nervous system, but at some point they end positively and a spiritual path is taken. The brain connects with the universe, recognizes the unity of everything and the energetic state of everything. This is the next step in evolution. After walking upright and the constant development of the brain, the energetic recognition and understanding of the universe now follows. People become higher frequent. They are able to switch between low-frequency and higher-frequency states of consciousness. They can control their brain waves.
Years ago I wrote to Prof. Waldinger in The Hague (he has unfortunately passed away) and Prof. Pukall from Queens University in Toronto about this topic, who were already working on PGAD at the time. But this knowledge, which is thousands of years old, cannot be conveyed to doctors and even psychologists. I have to say, today I would write in an other way bcause in the meantime I have more background.
These states normally are achieved in meditation, sometimes lasting decades. However, if the Kundalini suddenly (switch) activated, this energy forms a highway in the central nervous system for changes in the brain. The racing of the neurotransmitters in this energetic drive can be compared to a rocket. But the rocket is not the problem, but its drive, the energy that provides the thrust.

It took me a very, very long time to understand that there are positive and negative Kundalini activations. You can only read about positive activations, the negative ones are kept secret. After all, everyone wants to reach "enlightenment" and not negative dissociative states. At the end, they are the same states. However, one leads further in evolution, the other leads back, because the states of consciousness in the brain become more and more hypnotic, which leads to regression. We could also call it devolution.

Peter Levin, a world-famous trauma researcher, confirmed to me that I am not talking nonsense. In his book "In an Unspoken Voice" - How the Body Releases Trauma and Restores Goodness - the title of the last chapter is "Trauma and Spirituality". In this chapter he also writes about Kundalini and states of consciousness such as dissociation, depersonalization, and derealization which occur in Kundalini activations just as they do in trauma, only the effect on the body and on the person is negative. Dr. Joe Dispenza calls this happening an induction field (physic).


Thanks to the website "Madinamerica" ​​and researchers such as Peter Levine, "Trauma Based Awakening" is now being discussed more and more. Kundalini is clearly the beginning of a very sudden spiritual awakening. However, if this occurs as a result of trauma, psychiatry calls it "psychosis". In reality it is a very difficult Kundalini process. It is an expansion of the mind beyond the limits of our senses. In the mental realm, this view is slowly becoming louder and there are already a few therapists working with these processes.

But what about the processes that "get stuck" in the body, that do not "rise" to the mental realm and whose effects are not connected with the senses (hallucinations, hearing voices)? What about the processes that initiate a sexuality down in the body that has nothing to do with human sexuality? A sexuality that is distorted in the same way as the hallucinations of so-called "psychotic" people.

There is a lot to say about it but it is to much at this thread.
Now I come back to the switches and I think this is a very good observation and very important for all sufferers to observe these switches. When something suddenly activates and also suddenly stops, it has to be an energetic problem, not a problem of neurotransmitters. So the compar with a switch is absolutely right. I am convinced that it is the energy that I described above.

I will first describe my own experiences. For me, it all started when I suddenly woke up at night and felt an electric buzzing in my thoracic spine (switch). It lasted about an hour, then it stoped (switch) and I fell asleep again. At that time I was still sleeping very well. It didn't happen every night, but it happened again and again. In addition, energetic shivers kept running down my back in my apartment, as if I was standing under an energetic shower. It was exactly as if I was turning the shower on and then turning it off again (switch). It felt very unpleasant for me. Psychologically, I was on the way to depression at this time, due to a trauma two years previously. After a stay in a psychosomatic clinic, these switches disappeared and I was fine. Two years later, I woke up one night with PGAD, suddenly, without warning (switch). I also noticed vibrations in my spine and "movements" in other parts of my body. I also had a new switch. I saw light when I opened my eyes in the morning. At first I saw this light for longer, but now I only see it for a short moment. The opening of my eyes activates the light switch and turns the light off. At first I thought, if I told anyone about this I would end up in a psychiatric hospital and so I kept silence. Today I know that the base of PSSD/PGAD is an energetic process. Since I read Firstenberg's "The Invisible Rainbow", it has become even clearer to me how this energy corresponds with the electromagnetic field, so that I produce light. I attribute the fact that the light disappears because of the altered state of consciousness that occurs as soon as persons opens their eyes. In waking consciousness you cannot see your own light. Light is produced in hypnagogic states that occur early in the morning. These are also the states that cause great problems for many sufferers. By the way, these light-producing states are sought in meditation, but with inner light, not external light. This is why meditation is recommended in the early morning hours.

Already in the 1990s of the last century, a famous German trauma researcher, Michaela Huber, wrote in one of her books about very traumatized people and their problems with electricity. She could feel it herself in therapeutic sessions. This fact is not new and is also well known in science.

I shortly want to come back to Arthur Firstenberg. He writes that in earlier times there was a disease called "neurasthenia". It was clear that the symptoms in human beings were the result of electricity.
Sigmund Freud gave neurasthenia new names such as anxiety neurosis and panic disorder. He attributed the reasons of the symptomes to thought disorders and out-of-control feelings. This meant that the reason was no longer to be found outside of the person, in his toxic environment of electricity, but within himself. He also writes that this is the reason why today we prescribe Xanax, Prozac and Zoloft instead of cleaning up the environment. And now the world has the next problem, these drugs seem to influence the body electricity, the electric field around us and activate a higher frquent energy.

This sudden stopping of PSSD is therefore an energetic stop, not a cure. Just as it suddenly starts, it can also stop. This is also reported again and again, however very rarely. In my oppinion it has to be observed and is an important part of the whole disaster.

I'm very sorry for this long answer but this all isn't to say with three words.

[6-Eggs!]

When I was in hospital with the onset of symptoms, mine were so severe they thought I had spinal injury, MS or GBS etc... But all my reflexes were totally normal, even though I had no control over much voluntary stuff from waist down, mainly bowl, bladder, penis. Oddly I was able to walk with some weakness but had no feeling in my lower body, the weird thing is, my legs new where to do, where they are with zero conscious awareness available to me. This proved that peripheral and spinal signaling was working normally, but were disconnected somewhere in the brain that allowed conscious awareness and control. Nerve impulse tests showed normal as well.

But the thing with sexual function at a motor level is, that there is a inhibitory tone as well as a stimulating tone 24/7 Both need to work together to allow control, stimulation is via oxytocin pathway, inhibition is via norepinephrine. IIrc, they are inverted too. This is for physical arousal ie erection. So the tone is controlled up or down for the two to make motor control happen. Much of this tone comes from the brain, the relex side of it not as dominate as the brain's involvement, it's more that it allows an autopilot of sorts once arousal is already initiated, so the brain doesn't need to maintain an erection during sexual activity.

There are other more central located transmitters involved in other aspects. For example, 5ht transmitters are involved in sensory perception as well as glutimate, 5ht also centrally allow erection to initiated at the brain as well as allowing time to ejaculation.

I don't doubt that the spine isn't involved a good amount, but the brain's complex state plays a huge role in sexual function.

My PSSD/PGAD symptoms are locked in sync with my other seemingly unrelated symptoms that doesn't involve the spine at all for most part. Such as HPPD/VSS, auditory distortions, electrical burning pain in mouth which occurs exactly with the PGAD pain, same time, same pain, every time. Psychiatric symptoms of deep despair, suicidal ideas, total shutdown and bed ridden for days, visual disturbances and vision strobbing, diarrhea, nausea, bone aches, involuntary muscle contractions, reduced consciousness and the list goes on. Then this all goes away 80-90% and so does most of the sexual symptoms as well.

I've had this sort of weird ever evolving symptoms for over 3 years now and I pretty quickly learned that the only common denominator is the abnormal function of the brain and the spine had little to nothing to do with it, even though as the first symptoms emerged they suggested the spine only and it wasn't even recognized as WD symptoms until some 4 months later due to be almost all physical symptoms.

Believe me, I have had every test stopping short of a spinal tap, even considered the best neurologists for neurodegenerative/autoimmune in the southern hemisphere, and he said there were zero issues in the spine and peripheral nerves and concluded that the drugs totally rewired my brain and it could take a long time for function to return to a normal level. He warned that the dopamine neurons are very stubborn and sometimes can never recover in some individuals as I was also showing symptoms of dopamine disruption, both drugs I was on targeted dopamine as well. But all those symptoms came good the quickest.

[Librata]

I would like to come back to the energetic view of the problem with PSSD. We not only have a well or poorly functioning body, we also have bio-electricity, an electromagnetic field within us and around us, otherwise we could not live. In other words, we are not only biological, but also electrical and that means that the science of physics is at work in us.

At the moment I am very interested in energetic medicine and I am slowly finding a bit more on the internet. Frequency medicine seems to be developing slowly like a grass root but unfortunately very slowly. Of course the established science of medicine rejects this at first.

At the moment I'm reading Carolyn Mckakin who writes about the resonance effect and works with fibromyalgia patients in particular. She works with micro amperes of electricity.

I was a bit happy when I've read exactly the same I have been thinking for some time. The author writes that the use of frequencies in medicine is not weird or magic but that it is physics applied to the body and not to a star system. When we think of physics, we often think of the universe. Instead, we can start directly with ourselves, in our bodies and our environment.

I am becoming more and more sure that these ‘mysterious’ conditions such as PSSD and PGAD have their origin in altered frequencies and resonances triggert by these terrible pills. This change in the electric level causes symtomes like pain, numbness and many different other problems at some point. In the case of fibromyalgia which Carolyn Mckakin treats there also is no clear reason how this pain all over the body starts. There are no concret bio markers but more life problems of the patients.

There has been research in the last century in body electricity but medicine ignored it and went on only looking at the body directly.

Who wants to know more, here are two books describing research and studies of body-electrecity:

Robert 0. Becker and Gery Selden: „The Body Electric: Electromagnetism and the Foundation of Life“

Robert O. Becker: „Cross Currents“

In the field of medicine, we are not at all used to think in terms of energy. The body's electricity is certainly a problem because it works with micro amperes.

When we talk about energy, we always move from the energetic field to the material field, always from high frequencies to lower frequencies. Matter is a very slow and low vibrating frequency. Thoughts and feelings, on the other hand, vibrate at a very high frequency. Before an illness starts, there has happened something in the energetic field of electromagnetism.

So I believe that we have to leave the bodily explanations behind, especially because there are only very few real illnesses but there are a lot of symptoms which cannot be clearly diagnosed. The symptomes only can be obversed and described by the patients. This is the big problem of body medicine and that's why I think there is no progress in understanding these body conditions.

[ihatelexapro444]

PSSD is not caused by spinal reflex, pelvic issues, none of those physiological issues. It's chemical based and something was damaged or altered at the microscopic, molecular, or neurochemical level. Period.
People have really begun to go astray after all these years of dealing with PSSD, they blame it on the most ridiculous things and come up with the most far fetched theory.
SSRI caused it, and the mechanism revolves around chemistry.