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PSSD Suggested Treatment Plan

This thread is devoted to standardizing a treatment plan that gives someone starting with PSSD the crash-course in treatment options. It's based off of several years of theory that I've been working on and includes the work of Dr. Goldstein. I'll be editing this post and the thread to keep it clean, but I encourage anyone to give feedback on it. It uses the assumption that PSSD needs three factors to be initiated:

PSSD Risk Factors
1) Extreme Psychological Stress
2) Genetic Susceptibility
3) SSRI antidepressant


Side Notes:
a) PSSD is more common in males.
b) PSSD is more common in ages 15-25
c) PSSD is more common in previously hyper-sexual individuals


I don't think that PSSD will ever find a singular "cure". Instead, I think that the best treatment will be a refined protocol that works through several common contributing factors. Last year I began my Diagnostics page on my site. In it I listed 4 contributing factors to PSSD: Psychological, Physical, Hormonal and Neurological.

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Psychological: Anxiety, Depression, Stress, OCD, Relationship Issues.

Physical: Physical damage or blockage that prevents function of genitalia.

Hormonal: Hormonal irregularities or damage to structures releasing these hormones.

Neurological: Damage to sexual parts of brain, or to the nerves throughout the body.
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These categories aren’t mutually exclusive. For example, a neurological problem could lead to lack of sexual thoughts, and therefore blood flow to sex organs. This would trigger a physical problem as the genitals no longer have correct flow of blood. These symptoms could cause anxiety surrounding performance. This performance anxiety could release stress hormones that lead to the shutdown of sex hormone synthesis. You can see how all four categories can quickly be enlisted, and the problem complicated. Most treatments listed below could fit into multiple categories.

As I currently see it, the most logical order to treat these possible causes is in the order I list them above. That means that you must master one level before moving to the next one (the exception here being that a complete physical/psychological/hormonal work-up should be completed ASAP. Treatments mentioned link to their associated forum thread.


Psychological: Exercise, Meditation, Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT), CBD, Inositol, Ashwagandha, St. John's Wort, Atypical Antidepressants, Bupropion/Wellbutrin, Mianserin, Tianeptine), Ketamine/Psilocybin (with care), Buspar, etc. (Some other tested PSSD treatments include Choline, Yohimbine, Ginkgo Biloba, Piractetam)

Physical: Stretches, Pelvic Floor therapy, PT, MRI, Visiting Dr. Goldstein for testing, etc.

Hormonal: Complete hormone panel (info on my site), Herbs to correct hormone issues(T/E/Prog etc).

Neurological: Dopamine Agonists (Cabergoline, Pramipexole - Proceed w/ caution: DAWS), 5HT1A drugs (Buspar/Buspirone, Addyi/Flibanserin), etc.

Many people seem to want to jump to neurological causes of PSSD. I definitely did too when I got PSSD back in 2014. I think that this is an important place for us to keep looking for answers, but it's not the best way to treat your PSSD from day one. Many PSSD cure cases have included a anti-depressive and anxiolytic compound (SJW/Inositol/Mainserin/Low-Dose SSRI). It's important that you shut off the negativity and keep a calm head. Take each day one at a time. Read my page on PSSD Resources page. At some point you have to give up the anger towards doctors/pharma/other PSSD sufferers etc.

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From: "So You're New to PSSD?" - PSSD Lab

My first piece of advice to those on the first steps of their PSSD journey is to keep hope. Hope that PSSD will resolve, but even more so hope that they can grow to be happy again. Millions of people are miserable even without PSSD (that’s why antidepressants are even around in the first place), and I know plenty of people with PSSD who lead happy and fulfilling lives. If you make happiness contingent of the status of your PSSD, you might never find it again. That doesn’t mean that it comes easy, or that the path is always clear. It simply means that regardless of what happened yesterday, nothing done today can ever change the past. This is most important on the days when you feel that nothing is left.

My next piece of advice is to stop reading the sob stories. There are many of them. Marriages ruined. Lives destroyed. Careers ended. STOP. Stop. It is addicting when you first get PSSD. It was for me at least. If I’ve learned anything from PSSD, it’s that nothing in life is truly certain besides birth and death. Everything in-between is a mystery. Don’t fill yourself with absolutes and stories written from unknown people from around the world. They are not you. They do not define you or your experience with PSSD.

Finally, don’t let PSSD stop you from living your life. I say that for the days when it’s easier, but especially for the days when it’s hard. Run blindly into the unknown, and do not fear it. If you do fail, you will do so knowing that you’ve tried. If you are unsure if you should ask the cute girl at the party for her number: do it. Do it fearlessly. Do it unapologetically. You are you no matter what has happened from an SSRI.

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Ghost's 3 step program to an improved outlook on life:

1) Cease reinforcement of hopelessness: Stop reading sob stories. If it's a sob story post, immediately stop reading it.
2) Treat pharmacological/psychological barriers: Ketamine / Psilocybin / Psychedelics in general are perspective-changing tools that will reshape how you view grief and acceptance. If you can't use these drugs, look for other mental illness treatments mentioned above. Use these tools alongside meditation/therapy and lifestyle changes such as running/volunteering/healthy eating.
then proceed to...
3) Acceptance of the situation despite how horrible it currently is (nearly impossible unless you finish steps 1&2).

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I may strongly disagree on some your theories both in cause and treatment (though Im convinced your spot on with one.) But I applaud the approach and work your putting in Ghost. Sincerely hope this leads us closer to our goals :)
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Hello I've had pssd caused by anafranil 50 mg that I took 6 months ago and I'm still is experiencing extreme sexual disfunction. I'm losing hope in treatment, I'll follow these steps and test to see what works. Thanks
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Numbtomind 2 wrote:Hello I've had pssd caused by anafranil 50 mg that I took 6 months ago and I'm still is experiencing extreme sexual disfunction. I'm losing hope in treatment, I'll follow these steps and test to see what works. Thanks
Nice! Just keep in mind that this list is ver preliminary and it will be changing a lot. I'm really interested in the input from people and the other mods/admins etc.
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Thank you so much for this post, this is a nice clean list of facts and treatment protocol.

I saw a psychiatrist recently and talked to him about this, he’s going to refer me to see a urologist and an endocrinologist.

Then we’ll go from there.
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Took it Winter 2012-Summer 2016
Cut cold turkey. Symptoms include genital anesthesia, ejaculatory anhedonia, low libido, Burning/tingling genital pain.
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Dear new members, please read these honest thoughts about PSSD from me

You need to just calm down, things will get better with even time alone and there are so many options to try that can improve Your PSSD and emotions. What You now need is the right mindset and to be strong for now, clear Your thoughts, think of future solutions and improvments. Always keep somewhere in Your mind the future point in Your life when You will again enjoy sex and keep the focus on things to do to achieve that goal. There are many PSSD success stories, recoveries even from the really bad and complicated cases - people do get better, do not worry, brain is so wonderful. Even after serious brain injuries after serious accidents people do recover - with even time alone in most cases. Ask a neurologist if You do not belive. So to give it really enough time is the absolutely first step and the first best thing to do and in the meantime make some wise steps that can little by little help and cure Your condition because there are many many options that You did not try that can really help. Trust me on this one, things will sure get better

Everybodys case is different and things can get better sooner, sometimes little later. But to give it enought time to let Your body alone do the work is the absolutely neccessary first step. Without waiting it is simply not giving it enough possibilities for Your body to recover. And in the meantime there are plenty plenty of steps to make to improve - even sooner. Time and patience is the essence here and many many options are there to patiently try and see results. Some active recovery plans alone need patient time for it to see results, but You need to stick to it longterm for couple months to see results. So time alone + some active plan to be persistent with (takes dedication for at least couple months) = route to success. Everything else is simply being impatient and giving up possibilities to improve and cure, belive me, there are solutions but You need to give it enough time and try - be patient and persistent and follow a good plan, trust me, You WILL be surprised with very good results on Yourself

MY KNOWLEDGE AND LONGTERM OBSERVATION OF PSSD BRINGS ME TO THESE CONCLUSIONS
- PSSD is NOT a permanent damage that cannot change. No. It is a condition that CAN be fully reversed
- if You just foundout You have PSSD for like couple weeks - it is very very high chance it will go away most likely on its own within cca 3 months - even if it now looks that You are completely lost and a very bad case
- second highest chance that PSSD will go away on its own is in the time period of 3 months to 3 years - however bad it may look now at this moment - it is still possible it will be fully gone somewhere during this period or at least it is very likely that the improvements during this period are going to be very significant
- only for some people it persists for longer period than that. But do not get scared by that. Why? Because if You ask them, the vast majority honestly did not for longterm follow any really highly active recovery regiment like the one that I describe lower (with following of every single step of it) during their time with PSSD (with even me included until lately). It is never too late to start with it and to begin Your real recovery after long period of inefficiently spent time and inactivity. Are You tired of waiting? Tired of doing nothing activly towards healing from PSSD? Then read the next lines really carefully and keep in mind that there ARE ways to fight it! Let's heal and finally fight Your PSSD actively and efficiently!!



AFX ACTIVE RECOVERY HEALING PLAN
(every single step from this plan is very important without exception to maximize Your PSSD healing)

1. Intestinal health
- daily high quality probiotic and prebiotic foods, drinks and/or pills (to minimize pathogen overgrowth and to maximize nutrients efficiancy and absorbtion. It is also antiinflammatory and boosts immunity - important steps)
2. Healthy foods, drinks and nutrients
- cycling of wide spectrum of healthy fresh foods and drinks, mainly focus on lots of vegetables daily, fair amount of fruits, fair amount of meat and eggs (all this is very important to naturally replenish all vitamins and minerals depleted by medications and lifestyle, so get healthy foods from the whole spectrum)
- overall more alkaline - not acidic, healthy diet (balance acidic with alkaline vegetables)
- cycle mineral waters
- minimize refined sugars to minimum
- no preserved, artificially flavoured or meals from fast food
- no cigarettes or at least minimize
- absolutely no alcohol no drugs
3. Supplement healing
- daily quality magnesium (get at least the chelated form, but from the studies and from my Mg experience magnesium L threonate has no match in getting magnesium to the brain and in replenishing neuronal magnesium in the most efficient way)
- daily quality widespectrum multivitamin
4. Sex
- regular sex or masturbation, if You are able to try to do it daily or on some other regular basis
5. Active sport
- daily walking, cardio
- 3x weekly do sport like cycling, swimming,.. in a really active way (up to 5x weekly, but do not go this intense if You do not feel natural about it, listen to Your body)
6. Free time
- surround Yourself with nice and clean enviroment, relaxation, hobbies, music, playing computer games, do something what You like or find something new that You could like
- if You find it hard to just relax then be active also in Your free time, find something nice that will fill Your mind, maybe try to find something new if old things are not working efficiently enough, keep looking for Your new free time hobby
- look into active positive meditation methods and practice it 20-30 minutes daily
7. Sleep
- regular sleep regiment, if You have problems with falling asleep then look for some online guides how to do it with relaxation, some methods are really efficient
8. Immunity
- daily breathing excersices, daily cold showers (minimizes body inflammation and boosts immunity)
9. Pelvic floor physical training
- best is to check for a visit with a specialist to get individually recommended sets of training (e.g. kegels training)
10.Positive attitude and patience
- will You get positive results and improvments from this recovery plan? Yes. Will it be improvments or full healing, to what extent will it positively help You? That is something I cannot answer You up front as we all are different human beings, but I can tell You that this regiment is overall beneficial and it WILL help You and Your PSSD. That's an honest answer. So always have positive attitude and patience, wait for the results, You have to stick to this plan longterm to get them, the time is now working for You, but You have to follow every single step from this list for it to work in the most efficient way possible

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I think that’s a tad bit too negative about the dopamine agonists, I think some folks have had improvements with those as well as the PFS community has had improvements with dopamine agonist, but you’re right they don’t do much for others sadly.
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Took it Winter 2012-Summer 2016
Cut cold turkey. Symptoms include genital anesthesia, ejaculatory anhedonia, low libido, Burning/tingling genital pain.
My story: http://www.pssdforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=2536
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RE DA's

They have helped several people that I know but they are largely a bandaid.
I've seen good results also from 5HT1A agonists, not always negative.

However, this is the bottom of the treatment list and why I suggest treating the neurological problems the last resort in PSSD treatment. The results are inconsistent and the treatments are less safe.
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Ghost wrote:PSSD Suggested Treatment Plan

This thread is devoted to standardizing a treatment plan that gives someone starting with PSSD the crash-course in treatment options. It's based off of several years of theory that I've been working on and includes the work of Dr. Goldstein. I'll be editing this post and the thread to keep it clean, but I encourage anyone to give feedback on it. It uses the assumption that PSSD needs three factors to be initiated:

PSSD Risk Factors
1) Extreme Psychological Stress
2) Genetic Susceptibility
3) SSRI antidepressant


Side Notes:
a) PSSD is more common in males.
b) PSSD is more common in ages 15-25
c) PSSD is more common in previously hyper-sexual individuals
Omg, apart from the genetic component that I can not say, I fulfill all 5 points:
Had a lot of stress in 2017, it started after a drug that inhibits serotonin, I am male, was then 24 and previously always very sexual.
June 2015 - April 2016 Fluoxetine
April 2016 - March 2017 Fluvoxamine
December 2017 9 days Trazodone
After Trazodone PSSD: loss of libido & spontaneous/night/morning erections, prostate/pelvic pain, genital numbness, lower sperm count, Anhedonia
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Excellent post, Ghost - I really appreciate you putting the time and effort in to compile this information. Interestingly enough, after having PSSD for years myself, It's almost as if I've been acting as if I had read this post 6 months ago. I agree with everything you wrote and it holds true in my particular case. One of my symptoms actually is that I find it very difficult to let go and relax, and this gets much much worse if i haven't enough sleep. I think this constant feeling of tension and stress for no particular reason is not helping my condition - particularly the anhedonia, since the only time I'm able to "tap into" some sort of profound emotion is during the few times i'm able to truly let go during my meditation (or whenever really). For instance i'll get flashbacks to Pre-SSRI periods in my life, usually when I was a kid since i took SSRIs at 14, where I had no worries and life was "good" and I'll sort of remember what that felt like and how good it felt. I'll actually feel it which never happens. As soon as I notice that I kind of lose it, but I hope which practice i'll be able to access those emotions more regularly and easily.

Moral of the story is I think to treat PSSD in 2019 we need to approach it at all angles - starting with the basics and moving from there.
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